Hard shoulder pull outs

[ian]

[Jeff Hardwick]

What you all must remember is when you see an artic with his right indicator flashing he is not asking your permission, he is telling you what he intends to do...Like it or not................

[russell]

[Martyn Peters]

Jeff, Spot on Fella,

Also interestingly my mates mum who was getting on a bit used to stop at the bottom of a sliproad waiting for the chance to go!!

[Darren]

[Martyn Peters]

I dont know, im only a van driver, dont ask me stupid questions thankyou

[Jeff Hardwick]

[Darren]

[ray valentine]

If you did not know that please return you driving licence.

[paul holme]

Slightly off topic, but what makes me laugh is the people who are in an average speed camera area, slamming on when they get to each camera then speeding off again, the word average is obviously completely lost on these berks.

[Jeff Hardwick]

[Darren]

[Jeff Hardwick]

So let me get this strait you are saying that in the area that is used to build up speed to match that of traffic already on the carriageway when you get to the end of it (the giveway line) if you have been unable through misjudgement to match your speed you should then stop?? Think about what you are saying?
The correct thing to do if you cannot for some reason match your speed the the safest thing to do would be to continue down the hard shoulder until you can, as per Police driving course instructions.
A give way line means just that

[Rwill]

No I think people are saying this is what it says in the highway code:

Driving on the motorway

259

Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should:

- give priority to traffic already on the motorway
- check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
- not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
- stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
- remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.

[Jeff Hardwick]

Give priority to traffic already on the motorway, is that not what I said ?
You do that by matching your speed with them and easing into the traffic as it is safe.
I spent 10 years as a D.O.T Driving instructor, I am a Member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists and a RoSPA Advanced driver class 1.

[Rwill]

Then I would have thought you may have come across the Highway code.

Ever driven in Germany on a two lane Autobahn? The trucks are limited to 56mph and not allowed during the day in the 2nd lane so they form up into a three mile long nose to tail 56mph convoy. Leave the autobahn for a wee in a little wooded service place and try and rejoin on a very short slip. You stop, illegally go down the hard shoulder or die.

[Jeff Hardwick]

I am not talking about Germany, I am trying to save your life in England........................

[Darren]

Use of the Hard Shoulder is restricted (unless sign posts state otherwise) for emergency use only. Joining a Motorway Via a slip road and not being able to filter into the flow of traffic for whatever reason does NOT constitute a Emergency of any description.

Regardless of all your tuppeny happeny so called qualifications you are wrong. As per the Road Traffic act pointed out to you by Willy.So maybe you should read and digest the Highway code

As a foot note this scenario was a actuall question i was asked on HGV driving test

[maverick]

[Darren]

[Darren]

One thing for all to note is that if you ever have the missfortune to breakdown and get on the sanctuary and safety of the Hard shoulder near a slip road. I would advise you to hope and Pray that a Driver that has "spent 10 years as a D.O.T Driving instructor, and a Member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists and a RoSPA Advanced driver class 1." is not driving down the Hard Shoulder towards you because they can't join the motorway at the correct point so have crossed a Solid white line to get more speed up

[Jeff Hardwick]

You look down the hard shoulder to check its clear first, are you all winding me up or are there really so many inexperienced professional drivers. . Scary......

[Rwill]

We went off on this bit of thread when someone mentioned old auntie Minnie who is not accustomed to matching the speed of motorway traffic whilst joining, gets to the end of the slip road and stops at the give way lines and waits.Whether we like it or not that is what the law demands of her and it expressly forbids her to whoop on down the hard shoulder. Auntie Minnie exists (unfortunately in quite high numbers) and if we hit Minnie up the back end we are squarely at fault. What we personnally do on the occasions when despite attempting to match the speeds we run out of slip road is one of those spur of the moment driving desicions but the law is quite clear and unequivocal.

And the thought that Mav, Darren and Willy would be involved in a wind up is unthinkable - shame on you sir!

[Jeff Hardwick]

A give way line means literally that, it does not mean stop there would be a Stop sign ordering you to do that.
I ask you to consider what would be safer, a stopped vehicle at the give way line at the end of the slip road or a vehicle that momentarily continues along a clear hard shoulder and joins the carriageway as soon as he can find a slot.....

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